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August 12

Delete a page on wikipedia

Hello , you need to delete a page on wikipedia becasue its not true story and its making a lot of noise in public! 95.86.40.182 (talk) 00:50, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

OK! I'll do it right now! Uporządnicki (talk) 00:52, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh, did you have some special page in mind? Or will just any page do? Uporządnicki (talk) 00:53, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Just read all eight million and delete the one which isn't true. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

 The confused Magic 8-Ball says: which article? Facepalm - Rich^T|C|E-Mail 01:10, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

DELETE MY ACCOUNT

Hello, I just created a Wikipedia account because I thought I would be able to bookmark articles of interest to me within my account, rather than cluttering up my computer with a lot of bookmarks, for which I often get told that I'm running out of space on my computer, etc. So, since bookmarking articles within my account does not appear to be an option, I would like to delete my account altogether since I just created the account and have no intention of editing any articles. Please advise what I need to do in order to delete my account.

Thank you,

BRomer99 BRomer99 (talk) 01:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

BRomer99 for attribution reasons, accounts cannot be deleted. Since you have not made any significant edits, you can simply log out and never log in again. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:26, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@BRomer99:You can use your user page or a user subpage to hold your collection of bookmarks. Just edit the page and add links. Organize that page any way you want. -Arch dude (talk) 01:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Others can see those pages. For a private list which is easier to make, you could use your watchlist and view it at Special:Watchlist/edit which gives an alphabetical list of the page names. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Assistance Needed with Sourcing for Draft Article on Koorosh Ghorbani

Hi everyone, I’m working on a draft article about Koorosh Ghorbani, an Iranian trial motorcyclist, and I’m having some trouble with sourcing. He is well-known in Iran and has been extensively covered in Persian media, which are considered reliable sources in his home country. These sources were sufficient for his Persian Wikipedia page, but I’m unsure how to properly reference them on the English Wikipedia. I know Koorosh Ghorbani personally and have access to official documents and translated certificates of his championships. He has participated in international races, including two in Mexico and two in Italy, and I might be able to find links to these events. However, most of the detailed coverage of his career is in Persian. Can anyone advise on how to use Persian sources on English Wikipedia? Additionally, is there a way to upload and use translated documents as sources? We’re aiming to introduce him to an international audience, and having an English Wikipedia page is crucial for this purpose. Thank you in advance for any guidance! Neginghaderii (talk) 05:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Koorosh Ghorbani.   Maproom (talk) 05:53, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Neginghadeni. Non-English sources are perfectly acceptable in English Wikipedia, if there are not English-language sources of equal quality. The sources still need to meet English Wikipedia's criteria for reliability; and most of them also need to be independent of Ghorbani - anything written, published, or commissioned by him or any of his associates, or based on a press release or interview, may be used in only limited ways (see WP:PRIMARY) and will not contribute to establishing that he meets the criteria of notability. When citing foreign-language sources it is helpful to include a translation of the title, and perhaps of a relevant quotation from the source - see NONENG.

Sources do not have to be available online, as long as they are published so a reader can in principle consult them (eg by ordering a copy from a major library). Unpublished materials, on the other hand, may never by used as source for a Wikipedia article, irrespective of their provenance.

If you know Ghorbani personally, then Wikipedia regards you as having a conflict of interest. This does not stop you from writing about him, but you should declare this on your user page, and be aware of the pitfalls in writing about somebody you know. ColinFine (talk) 08:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I’m a photographer specializing in sporting events, and through my work, I’ve gotten to know many Iranian and world champions personally. I’ve even interviewed world champions. My most recent project involved covering the World Champion Trial GP in Belgium. This experience gives me a unique perspective, allowing me to write accurate and well-informed articles about athletes like Koorosh Ghorbani.

Thank you for the detailed explanation. I understand the importance of sourcing and will remove any parts of the article that are not supported by reliable sources. I would greatly appreciate it if you could take a look at the draft again. Instead of rejecting it, could you please help modify or suggest changes that would make it suitable for publication? Your guidance would be invaluable in ensuring that the article meets Wikipedia's standards.

Thank you in advance for your support. Neginghaderii (talk) 12:59, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Neginghaderii: It's good that you have expertise, but on Wikipedia expertise isn't really relevant, becauase you cannot write what you know, you must write about what published sources say.

Your draft wasn't rejected, it was declined. If it was rejected, that means you should give up and move on to something else. If it's declined, that means the reviewer thinks it may be suitable for publication with improvements.

I looked it over, made a few minor changes. It's pretty good as a stub article. Can you flesh it out a little? Most of the sources don't really provide any significant coverage of Khoorosh Gorbani, they just mention him. I suspect that's why the reviewer declined it. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Templates, Prekmurje Slovene

Hello! There is something wrong with some templates and references. I can't find the errors. Doncsecz^talk 08:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't see any obvious error, so you'll need to be clearer about what problem you're seeing. ColinFine (talk) 08:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine: {{cite book}}: Empty citation (help): Check |isbn= value: checksum (help) or {{cite web}}: Empty citation (help): External link in |website= (help) These will appear after saving. Doncsecz^talk 08:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Doncsecz~enwiki The error messages themselves have wikilinks to help pages, which is where you should look. In large articles like Prekmurje Slovene it can sometimes be tricky to find the correct place to fix the problems. I'm going to start tidying up that article and you'll be able to see my edits there later, assuming I can fix the problems. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:52, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

.... now done. The article still needs cleanup work. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Clarification Needed: Adding External Link to UAE's Commission for Academic Accreditation (CAA) Website

Hello,

I recently received an automated warning about potentially spamming when I tried to add external links to multiple Wikipedia pages. The links in question point to the official website of the UAE’s Commission for Academic Accreditation (CAA), which is the Federal Government’s quality assurance agency for higher education.

I work at a college in the UAE, and we undergo annual audits by the CAA. The accreditation status of programs and institutions can change frequently, and the only authoritative source for the current status is the CAA’s official website. I’ve been adding this link to various Wikipedia pages related to UAE institutions to provide accurate and up-to-date information.

Here’s why this link is crucial:

• The CAA website is the definitive source for the accreditation status of UAE higher education institutions and programs.
• Accreditation status can change annually, with some programs and institutions having their licenses revoked. The CAA's website is the only way to verify the current status.
• If a program or institution is not listed as active on the CAA’s website, the Ministry of Education (MoE) will not stamp or recognize the certificates issued by that institution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elrashid.co (talk • contribs) 09:16, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

For example, the CAA website lists detailed information for institutions like the Higher Colleges of Technology, including the status of specific programs (e.g., active, inactive).

I have made these edits under my account, and you can view my contributions here: User contributions for Elrashid.co.

Given this context, I believe that adding these links is important for maintaining accurate and reliable information on Wikipedia. Could you please advise on how to proceed without triggering the spam warning? I also want to ensure that my edits are compliant with Wikipedia’s guidelines on external links. Elrashid.co (talk) 09:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Elrashid.co: As you say the warning was automated, so you needn't be too troubled by it. The additions look good to me.

That said, the formatting of what you added was not in our preferred style; instead of a call to action, you should include the link as a reference, so, for example, instead of

Higher Colleges of Technology (HCT) is accredited by the Commission for Academic Accreditation (CAA), the UAE Federal Government's quality assurance agency for higher education. To check the CAA's active accredited programs at Higher Colleges of Technology (HCT), visit this link.

you would add:

Higher Colleges of Technology is accredited by the Commission for Academic Accreditation (CAA), the UAE Federal Government's quality assurance agency for higher education.

References

-- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:32, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);

Thank you for your prompt response and helpful guidance. I appreciate your clarification on the preferred formatting for external links. I’ll make sure to revise the edits accordingly by including the CAA website as a reference rather than a direct call to action.

I understand the importance of following Wikipedia's guidelines, and I’ll be careful to format future contributions in line with your advice. If there’s anything else I should be aware of, please feel free to let me know.

Thanks again for your assistance.

Best regards,

Elrashid Elrashid.co (talk) 13:30, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

edit help

we need to add some information in our wiki page but after adding this content its rejected 103.175.62.181 (talk) 09:19, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

That is because this edit was blatant promotion, which is not allowed. Wikipedia has no interest in what you are deligted to share. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

You also have a WP:Conflict of interest, so should not be editing that page at all, but you can make suggestions on the talk page - Arjayay (talk) 10:08, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Notability

Hello. I have a question about notability for topics that do have sources, but are debatably notable to have their own articles. In particular, I am looking at articles in the theme of Graffiti in Houston, Graffiti in Washington, D.C., and Graffiti in Chicago. I had opened a discussion for deletion, but they were removed as "size is not a reason to delete an article", but my argument was not about size alone - graffiti in these areas is not notable in the way they are in places like New York or Philadelphia, which have effected graffiti history and culture significantly in a way which has led to such being discussed in academic journals.

The fact that there are news articles of graffiti in these towns helps them fit in general notabiltiy guidelines, but this seems very problematic given that I am sure I could find news articles saying "someone did graffiti" in every city in the world and quite a few small towns. Is there a better way to establish notability for this kind of subject? -- NotCharizard ^🗨 11:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

One preferred method for dealing with subjects on borderline notability that fit together in a common theme is to place them in context within a larger article. Infrastructure of the Brill Tramway is the classic excellent example of this. For your case, these articles are all in Category:Graffiti in the United States by city, which has no main article yet. Graffiti in the United States exists, with two topographic lvl2 subheadings and a third lvl3 under § Regulations. Maybe you could incorporate the content of the inadequate articles (like the particularly poor Graffiti in Washington, D.C.) into subheadings to provide a place for the information inside its larger context, and for cities that do merit a standalone article, summarise them in context and provide a section hatnote linking the existing article.

In other words, merge as appropriate. Folly Mox (talk) 11:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

translation of the Persian article for Koorosh Ghorbani

Hi, I’m working on the translation of the Persian article for Koorosh Ghorbani. Someone helped me change the name, but after I pasted the code for the article, it remains a draft without a submit button. I’m also concerned that the references, which are sourced from the Persian article, might not be recognized as reliable because they are not in English. Could someone please help with this? I want to make sure the sources are properly acknowledged and that the article can be submitted correctly. Thank you!

Draft talk:Koorosh Ghorbani Article in Persian : کوروش قربانی Neginghaderii (talk) 13:52, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Neginghaderii, you deleted the submission template in this edit. TSventon has added it back for you. 57.140.16.8 (talk) 14:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Neginghaderii, I have added back the draft templates, so you should be able to resubmit it. However the previous version was rejected not because of foreign language sources, but because the article is a WP:BLP (biography of a living person) and there was unsourced information. The article still has unsourced information, such as the date of birth, which should be cited or removed. TSventon (talk) 14:15, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out the issues. I’ll remove the date of birth right away. Could you please let me know if there’s anything else that needs to be removed? I’ve already taken out another part that didn’t have a source.

I have a question: isn’t Persian Wikipedia considered a source? For example, the date of birth is listed and accepted there.

Thank you for your help! 92.54.250.108 (talk) 06:21, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. I understand that neutrality is key when writing for Wikipedia. However, if I weren't interested in this sport, I wouldn't even be aware of these athletes' existence, let alone know enough to write about them. Having some background information helps me ensure that they are indeed notable and well-known in their field.

I’ve removed some parts of the article and would appreciate any further suggestions or help you can provide. Thank you again for your guidance and support. 92.54.250.108 (talk) 06:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Neginghaderii/92.54.250.108, Wikipedia is not a reliable source, no matter which language it is in. Reading WP:USERGEN may help you understand why. 57.140.16.8 (talk) 13:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Each claim in the article is supported by Persian sources, and I'm translating content from Iranian news outlets. 92.54.250.108 (talk) 19:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Ben Gurion Canal page revival

Many months ago a page that had been of some controversy because of the ongoing conflict in the middle east as well as it seems some "anti"anti-Israeli sentiment/pushback, was quietly purged from Wikipedia. To my understanding page regarding the "Ben Gurion Canal" was deemed a "conspiracy" & not factual, was then put up for vote & deleted.

I have recently come across a declassified memo from the US Office of Science & Technology Information, posted & available on their website OSTI.gov that outlines a very real proposal of said Canal, thus bringing to an end of this project actually being just here-say & conspiracy.

I believe this information as well as the former Wiki page has relevant, concerning information that is of vital importance that the public should be aware of & is of journalistic & historic significance.

Having it wiped from the halls of Wikipedia has done nothing but lead credence that this proposed idea was nothing more then a crackpot scheme to undermine & defame "Israel".

All that being said I believe it would be in the best interest of the public & Wikipedia to restore this page, include the document I will link below & lock the page (or otherwise restrict editing/deletion)

I would also like to propose that any page relating to conflicting states & said "conflicts" be given additional scrutiny before any deletions & major edits be performed.

That being said one of the arguments of the pages deletion was that "it was a proposed project & it was not built".

Well history, the internet along with wikipedia is full of Government (& others) projects that never came to fruition, but they are still both of historic & journalistic significance.

Atlantropa, Project Carryall, Cross Florida Barge Canal, Bering Dam, Qattara Depression Project, Project 2025.

I could go on & on about different things that never came to be or are still just proposals but still are worth a page here. The Ben Gurion Canal is just that.

Please reinstate & lock the page so no one deletes history while everyone else is looking in another direction.

Thank you for your help!

https://www.osti.gov/opennet/servlets/purl/453701.pdf LtCdrLaForge (talk) 17:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not base articles on primary-source documents. To establish that this topic meets Wikipedia notability requirements you would need to show signioficant coverage in secondary reliable sources. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:08, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I'd add that I'm not even finding a deleted page by this name. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 18:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I think they're talking about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Gurion Canal Project. DanCherek (talk) 18:16, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok. So maybe you can answer this. why has any reference to the canal only been scrubbed from the english Wiki?

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proyecto_del_Canal_Ben_Guri%C3%B3n

https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%85%D8%B4%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B9_%D9%82%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%A9_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D8%BA%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%88%D9%86

https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terusan_Ben_Gurion

There are at least 7 pages I can find in various languages all have citations.

Listen I am not trying to call out some conspiracy, I am not ani-israeli, anti-zionist, pro-palestine. I am Pro-Human & I am Pro-History. I believe in the adage that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

I would like to continue on my rant but this is not the platform for that.

I am just looking for a "good" explanation as to why this happened, prevent it from happening again & hopefully fix it. LtCdrLaForge (talk) 02:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

It happened because somebody nominated it for deletion and the participants in the discussion didn't think it satisfied the requirements in Wikipedia:Notability for significant coverage in reliable sources. Lots of articles are deleted for that reason. The discussion was open to everybody and listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2023 December 18#Ben Gurion Canal Project so it could be seen by people following deletion discussions. Wikipedia languages are edited independently and make their own policies. I don't know the policies for the languages with an article, or whether their article satisfies those policies, but many languages have less strict policies than the English Wikipedia. Ben Gurion Canal Project (Q120703821) currently shows eight languages with an article. Some of them were based on the English article when it existed. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:41, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Ben Gurion Canal Project wasn't "quietly purged". It was nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Gurion Canal Project 18 December 2023. The top of the article displayed a big box about it for a week with a link to the discussion, similar to this on another article. After the normal time, seven days, the discussion was closed. It was decided to delete the article. The discussion remains visible to everybody. The article called it an alleged Israeli project. Your source is an American document with no mention of Israeli knowledge of the idea. The source had its own section in the article and was mentioned in the deletion discussion. It's still mentioned in Project Plowshare and Peaceful nuclear explosion but with no claim that it was an Israeli project. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

User interface

Hallo WIKI

I've been using the wiki for many years. What came as a novity already a few years ago was/is the terrible little square which contains the content and which is stuck in one place (the upper left hand "corner") while scrolling the page up and down. This bothers me so much that I've been limiting using the Wiki to a minimum and opting for a different app to get the information I want to read.

My hope is that you either eliminate it or make it possible for a reader to get rid of it while I am reading a page.

Thank you for your input.

Wiki reader. 2001:569:744C:900:A9D1:65BA:70CC:8C8A (talk) 18:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Are you perhaps using the Wikipedia "app"? If so, simply use a browser instead. Using Ghostery and not logging in to Wikipedia, I see no little square stuck in any one place, whether I choose "mobile" or "desktop" view. -- Hoary (talk) 00:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I see a box with as described if I log out and "Contents" is hidden from the sidebar. It's part of the current default skin Vector 2022. If I log in then I instead see a fixed page-wide bar at the top in Vector 2022. Logged in users can select other skins at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. I prefer the former default Vector legacy. None of the other skins have such a box. They display contents as part of the article itself. The skin affects many other things. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Track listings for Soundtrack section of films

Hello. According to WP:TRACKLIST, the track listing data for albums can be sourced to liner notes as a primary source without explicit citations. Would this also apply for track listings in a Soundtrack section of a film? I see examples of this for films Wish I Was Here, Summer Lovers and others. Opinions welcome! Assambrew (talk) 18:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Disappointing that nobody has answered me yet, but I see you folks have your hands full here with difficult questions and difficult people. Kudos for your patience! ...

I'll be more specific: I tried to add a Soundtrack section for the film The Lords of Flatbush, but it was reverted because I didn't cite any sources. What I added was all from the liner notes of the album cover. Shouldn't that be acceptable as a primary source without explicit citations, just as it is for regular record albums? Assambrew (talk) 16:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Template:Advert has content but comes up blank

Whenever I try to load Template:Advert I get a blank HTML page. Viewing the source in Chrome view-source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Advert reveals that the page source is all there. Trying the actual editing link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Advert&action=edit also comes up blank.

Is this happening for anyone else? I noticed it when an article with this template wasn't displaying anything for that template. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:49, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I can't reproduce this (although, of course for me https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Advert&action=edit acts a bit unusually since it's template protected). Based on other experiences, it may be worth trying turning off any ad block/content you have running, since I've had some ad blockers block aggressive on things like the box-Advertclass in <table class="box-Advert plainlinks metadata ambox ambox-content ambox-Advert" role="presentation">. Skynxnex (talk) 20:46, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Aha. After using AdNauseam for years without any issues (other than installing updates since Google banned it from the Chrome store), this is the first false positive I've had with it. I disabled it on Wikipedia and the page appeared. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)